So, What ARE Some Of The Most Overrated Albums Ever?

Question

So, What ARE Some Of The Most Overrated Albums Ever?

Answer 1

Slanted & Enchanted by Pavement (It's a descent album, but for me not to the extent that most critics hail it as. There were lots of alternative bands from the 80s/earlier 90s that sounded very similar)



Most The Flaming Lips albums (I don't understand the appeal to this band, the only album I can really put up with is Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots, and even then in small doses)



Abbey Road by The Beatles (First off I dont' want to give the impression that I hate this album, not at all, it is a great album, however I don't think it holds any weight to all of the Beatles previous work.

In My opnion The Beatles peaked during the Help!, Rubber Soul, and Revolver period)



Any Bob Dylan album that has come out in the last ten years (Look yeah they're decent albums but Rolling Stone labeling two of them in their top 20 of the best albums of the 2000s give me a break.)



Only by the Night by Kings of Leon (After listen upon listen I have grown to like Only by the Night but again their previous work was far greater...which leads me to wonder how it was this album that broke them into the media spotlight and not Because of the Times)



Whatever People Say I Am, That's What I'm Not by The Arctic Monkeys (Meh the albums alright again I don't get how the music media was all over this one, I personally don't think The Arctic Monkeys measure up to many of the British indie rock bands that have exploded into the music scene this past decade like The Libertines, Franz Ferdinand and Bloc Party).

Answer 2

Sgt. Pepper's hands down is the most overrated. It has little ACTUAL historical significance (psychedelic music was in full swing already and the hippie culture was already well known), it wasn't musically revolutionary (except maybe for "A Day in the Life"), George Martin did most of the sound experiments that could be considered revolutionary, and it's a pathetic excuse for a "concept album" (only two songs!) Plus the sunshiny melodies were BASICALLY already done on Pet Sounds a few months earlier. Revolver and The White Album are far more "advanced" records historically.



And Dark Side of the Moon, dare I say it, is overrated, even though it is VERY good.

Kid A and In Rainbows by Radiohead also come to mind.

Answer 3

Well you mentioned the first two I could think of in "The Wall" and "Metallica (Black Album)" - I love Pink Floyd and Metallica is in my top 5 of great bands but those two albums were actually pretty boring. I actually thought "Load" and "ReLoad" were better than the Black Album. Other albums I consider over rated are:



Led Zeppelin - In Through the Out Door - Zeppelin is my favorite band but this album had little to do with Zeppelin and more to do with trying to stay up with the changing times. This album seemed more like something Whitesnake or Bon Jovi would have done. Nothing against those bands but the album just wasn't Zeppelin.



Mellow Gold - Beck or any Beck album really - Talk about boring. He was called a genius during the 90's but I thought he was more of a sleep aid like Sominex. Put me to sleep faster than anything.



Sgt Peppers - The Beatles - The Beatles are my second favorite band behind Zeppelin and I even like this album but it is not the best Pop/Rock album ever produced as many so called experts have called it. It is not even the best Beatles album. That title goes to Revolver or Rubber Soul.



Jimi Hendrix and the Band of Gypsies - Jimi should have stayed with the Experience. The chemistry was better and the music was more spontaneous. This album has some good moments but compared to his other works it drags.



Tommy - The Who - Not a bad album but if you are looking for a Rock Opera "Quadrophenia" was 10 times better.



Exile on Main Street - The Rolling Stones - Considered by the so callled experts to be The Stones best album and it is good but I prefer the blues influence on the rest of their albums instead of the country influence on this one. Of all my Stones albums this one gets played the least.

Answer 4

Blonde On Blonde - Bob Dylan: Boring, not deep, overly-descriptive about phony Americana scenes and other stuff no one with any sense cares about. Best song: "I Want You", because it sounds the least like Dylan's usual musically aimless, pseudo clever nonsense... and this is one of his better albums.



Bruce Springsteen: E Street Band and Darkness on the Edge are the only times he doesn't sound like a phony working man messiah.





@ Connor, yeah maybe you do need your Adderall dose upped, I hate most early Pink Floyd.



@ Royal Archetype: No one cares that you don't like the Beatles and Nirvana, you're some retarded metalhead with next to no musical knowledge or historical perspective, maybe you can sweep pick though, impress some morons on youtube.



Also, the trend of people who say that they think they're going to get a bunch of thumbs down, and end up getting thumbs up because of it is one of the most insipid things ever. Anyone who says something like that really should get thumbs'd down to the pits of hell.

Answer 5

Don't blame the copy-cat bands on Nirvana. There are other bands still living responsible for that. Why not pick on The White Stripes or Black Crows? I still listen to Nevermind regularly while my other CD's just collect dust. Kurt Cobain constantly bashed the critics, fustrated with being called "punk". Don't forget, math critics laughed at Einstein too. Sorry.

Answer 6

There is no such thing as overrated bands or music, unless they are really bad in terms of musicianship. If a lot of people like an album that mean that the album meets their taste and their preferrance. If many or the majority likes something or does not like something is merely personal preference. It does not mean that a band is overrated or underrated. That is the way the market works.



It is also different from country to country:



According to Kai Hansen, in Germany Land of the Free is the most acclaimed album while in Skandinavia they prefer No World Order, and in Japan their most successful album is Genius and Insanity. This does not has to do with overrated or underrated, but personal preferance and the mentality in different countries.

Answer 7

If you haven't figured it out by now, it's easy to say something is overrated out of hindsight, being that most of the artists mentioned there are quite old. After a while, you just naturally want something different. Not to mention, they were doing something different in the beginning, and now people that have replicated that make it less interesting. For the most part, artists are better before they go mainstream because they try so hard to make it.

Answer 8

I'll nominate 2 Beach Boys albums:



Smiley Smile(1967)



and



15 Big Ones(1976)



To me Smiley Smile is both underrated and overrated,it's overrated because when you compare Smiley Smile to what the Smile album was built up and hyped up to be(I think Smile was one of the most hyped albums of 1967),it doesn't hold up.Now Smiley Smile is underrated because on its own,its actually a very good album,but when you look at the mythical and legendary status that Smile attained while it was still being recorded,yes you can say Smiley Smile had a lot to live up to,Smiley Smile was(as Carl Wilson put it so well)"A bunt instead of a grand slam!"



As for 15 Big Ones,the only reason why that album did as well as it did was because it was riding on the coattails of the sudden resurgence in popularity that the Endless Summer album created(please don't get me started on Endless Summer and why I hate that album so),in fact(if memory serves)Endless Summer was still on the charts when 15 Big Ones came out.



I mean how would 15 Big Ones have fared had it not been for Endless Summer

Answer 9

So I finally get a chance to act close-minded and opinionated. This doesn't come up very often.



Just to relieve some of the tension, these are artists and albums I don't get *currently* - in the future, I might end up raving about them enthusiastically into raptures of lyrical waxing. Like a madman of sorts. We've all seen this happen before. But for now....



Everything ever by LCD Soundsystem - WTF is this ****?

Seriously. It's just hackneyed generic indie noise crap. I don't see what's special about it at all.



Everything by Pavement - ^



Never Mind the Bollocks - I heard some critic guy one time say that this album was the epitome of shallow, materialistic, capitalistic, commercialized ****, or something along those lines. He's probably right, even though some of the tunes ain't so bad. To be perfectly honest, I go between phases of loving and hating the Pistols...I don't even know, man.



American Idiot - AllMusic recently bumped up American Idiot's rating to 5 stars. Five freaking stars! How. How did this happen. I want an explanation. This album EMBODIES over-calculated, overwrought, over-thought nupunk crap. I don't get it.



The Chronic - So you've got a couple hip hop classics with great production, decent lyrics, and all that other good stuff. But then HOLY CRAP LIKE TEN SONGS of misogynistic, homophobic, brainless, urban-stereotyping, marijuana-over-praising, soulless, profit-oriented, over-produced GARBAGE.



Thriller - Again, two or three classics and then a ******* HALF HOUR of FILLER? Really, MJ? REALLY? C'mon, you had the talent to do so much better.



Hotel California - Sums up everything I hate about the '70s.



Don't Look Back - No, wait. (To be fair, their first album kicks WAY more *** than I used to give it credit for - but HOLY DAMN does Don't Look Back blow)



4 - Sums up everything I hate about the '70s BUT IN THE '80s. Which automatically makes it worse, because the '80s had an even MORE distinct -classic rock- zeitgeist than the '70s (with more guitar solos, cornier production, and somehow even more ultra-generic lyrics), which means there's even MORE to hate about it. Tch.



I think that's it. If I think of anything else, I'll be back. Ohhh, I'll be back.

Answer 10

Well, WTF I'm late but I'll vent, been waiting for an opportunity to go off on a few bands I hate (yes HATE):



Van Halen- 1984 and actually any Van Halen album but this one blew chunks, it definately did not live up to the hype, those who were around in the day will remember it..."radio friendly" egotistical BS music by a band who thought they could do no wrong...yeah, go ahead, thumbs down me all you want, this album SUCKED



Bon Jovi- Slippery When Wet- WTH? Crappy lyrics, worse music, typical of the MTV generation, no quality here whatsoever. It's all about the look, didn't matter what the guy sang or played on his guitar, it sold.



Bruce Springsteen's The River- considered by us Jersey fans to be a sell out album, totally different from anything he'd done before, more "radio friendly" shorter, less meaningful songs, took me a long time to come back to Bruce, and those of you who know me know I LOVE Bruce Springsteen...the River is not an album I own.



Aerosmith- Pump & Permanent Vacation- sell out music "Dude Looks Like a Lady"? "Rag Doll?" WTF? How does any of that compare to their bad@ss music from the 70s? They should've hung it up after Night in the Ruts...Personally, I think they were better when they were strung out.



Darth, thanks for the opportunity to vent, I feel better now and I think I'll have a good day :)



(So glad you're back)

Answer 11

All Justin Bieber albums.

Answer 12

I just want to say this...



Unless you were there listening to this stuff fresh off the presses it is really difficult to criticize the albums based on what you know here and now.

Sgt Peppers, for one thing, was the first conceptually based album. Nothing like it had ever been done before. It was unique for it's time period.

A Night at the Opera was an amazing album. I literally wore out my first vinyl of this album. The way it was produced and overdubbed and the choral arrangement (most of which were all Freddie) made it unlike anything else recorded at that time. Also during the 70's especially, it wasn't about the singles. It was about the album as a whole.

Example...Thick as a Brick by Jethro Tull

As for Magical Mystery Tour? Leftovers from Sgt Pepper.

Answer 13

I think some of the beatle stuff was not as great as they were supposed to be according to the critics, mostly Sgt. Peppers.

Answer 14

Well Karl, I'm not trying to piss you off or anything but one of my choices just so happens to be an album you rated 5 stars on RYM. Just noticed another one is one you rated 4



First off:

The Piper at the Gates of Dawn



Now I don't mind Pink Floyd, they've got a lot of good songs and albums. Their early stuff is really good also, my two favorite songs (Julia Dream & See Emily Play) are some of their first. So onto what I think about this album; it's treated like a milestone in psychedelic music and that is dumb in my opinion. As a psychedelic album it's extremely mediocre, there are the inevitable boring songs that you get from any PF album...but that's what most of them are. I just find myself listening to it and saying I don't get it...I guess I mainly don't get the hype over Syd Barrett, if I wanted to listen to a drugged out schizophrenic I'd go listen to Wesley Willis.



If you're KC high and you listen to this...it's probably not bad. But nobody but KC gets KC high. Except for maybe Ero.



The main thing I hate about this album is what I call "The Hangover" nothing to do with waking up with a siring headache mind you, so about a month after the hangover came out nobody would shut up about it so it had to be good right? I watched it...laughed maybe twice in the hour and a half and got mad at society. Same thing with this album, I heard so much good! Over-hyped fuckness.



Second!

(What's the Story) Morning Glory?



I'd start by apologizing to rnrstar but he has no emotions. So once again, the hangover effect...this cover of wonderwall called wonderballs that had tons of sexual innuendos was catchy (link in source)...blah blah blah. The album it self was ehh...two songs I liked and now that's down to one. The thing that really pisses me off about this band is that they are so pretentious! If you go to one of their "official" youtube music videos they have it set so that comments have to be approved which means that if you aren't gargling their balls in your comment it wont be posted. And back to the album, the guys voice is just whiny and annoying. I could ramble on again but I've got government homework so I'll speed this up.



Third and last. (Forgive me Karl)

Back in Black



My brother bought this a when I was younger and we both though it was one of the coolest albums ever. As an RYM review says "Thank God I'm not 11 anymore." You can barely understand what he's yelling for starters, and I don't think that matters much because if I was looking for an album with good lyrics I probably wouldn't pick one with songs like "What Do You Do for Money Honey", "Let Me Put My Love Into You", and "Given the Dog a Bone". This is the kind of music you might enjoy if you're at a bar getting smashed with some friends at a bachelor party (sort of like Don't Stop Believing...but not quite that overplayed).



Now this did come out when generic disco music was the reigning king so I can understand how some people gravitated towards this album back then, but hell I'm just a kid maybe one has to grow up with hard rock to get it.



If you ban me from TFZ for this I'll understand.

Answer 15

the wall

Answer 16

I'm going to get a TON of thumb-downs for this...but I'm going to say two words and you should know what I mean.





Nirvana.





Beatles.







That is all.

Answer 17

The most overrated albums imo are



Appetite for Destruction

Back in Black

Nevermind

Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band

Reign in Blood

British Steel

The Wall

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Answer 19

In terms of Beatles, I probably agree with Sgt. Pepper.

There are really a few songs that I absolutely love. A Day in the Life is definitely one of my favourite songs ever, but overall not the group's best work.



I'd say Revolver was their biggest milestone.



Anyway, my friend once said that Dark Side of the Moon is overrated. I'm not sure if I agree or not...

Answer 20

Urban Hymns- The Verve

Lacking any form of musical variation, boring, recycled britpop that Oasis and Blur met with a degree of creativity. The Verve were very generic.

Answer 21

Master of Puppets (over produced)

Powerslave (too polished)



sht, only two lines.



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Answer 22

Guns 'n Roses, Appetite for Destruction

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Answer 24

Paranoid - Black Sabbath



Not really a bad album, in fact, I love it, but Sabbath had better Ozzy era albums, namely Master of Reality.

Answer 25

Metallica-- Master of Puppets



This nearly hour-long travesty is a sheer bore to sit through with lifeless wah-infested guitar solos, dull quasi-groove riffs, one of the stupidest Metallica ballads of all time ("Welcome Home (Sanitarium)"... It's a song about breaking out of the looney bin. Riveting), the more boring instrumental ever ("Orion," which sounds like the karaoke track of a song they left off the album, instead of an instrumental that can tell a story, like "Call of Ktulu"), and songs that just generally go on for way too long with way too many stupid melodic interludes and intros.



Master of Puppets didn't do jack to "change the game" at all. Everything that was on MoP was on Ride the Lightning, but implemented 20x better. Oh, and how could I forget the sterilized production that sucks all the "thrash" out of this album?! There are no surprises, no headbangable moments. Just some of the most watered-down metal I have ever heard. The Black Album was more hard-hitting than MoP!



Iron Maiden-- Seventh Son of a Seventh Son



I just... I don't see it. Why is this album praised so highly? "Somewhere in Time," which got sandwiched between this album, and their other overrated "masterpiece," "Powerslave," is a MILLION times better. "Somewhere in Time" had a lot of anthemic, sci-fi inspired proto-power metal numbers. "Seventh Son..." has nothing to keep me interested. The 10-minute titular track is repetitive and unmemorable. Long for the sake of being long.



Dream Theater-- Images and Words



I LOVE Dream Theater. I even have a soft spot for their Rush-like debut. But this album has exactly two good songs ("Metropolis," and "Under a Glass Moon"), and the rest are boring. (I'm seeing a pattern here...)



In Flames--- Anything from what people call "The Good Ol' Days"



This may be some bias since I find melodeath a very stale and uninspired genre, but damn, In Flames sucks. Every one of their songs sounds the same!



Pink Floyd-- The Wall



Totally agree, this stuff's way overrated. But "Comfortably Numb" is totally in the top 5 Floyd songs of all time.



Led Zeppelin-- Led Zeppelin I/II/III/IV, etc...



Oh, where do I even begin?... Overbearing vox that try too hard, really sloppy guitar work, the amazingly annoying frequency at which the words "baby" or "babe" are uttered, every song goes on for way too long (coming from someone who likes Dream Theater, that's sad).



Judas Priest-- Painkiller (oh, sh*t, now I've done gone crazy...)



Ah, the Priest, my absolute favorite band. At first glance, Painkiller has all the makings of a Priest classic-- kickass twin lead guitarwork, Rob's soaring vocals, and HOLY CRAP, THAT ALBUM COVER IS METAL AS HELL



http://i582.photobucket.com/albums/ss261/caleb1batman/judaspriestpainkiller.jpg



So where does it go wrong? Too much emphasis on speed. I mean, I love speed metal as much as the next guy, but it just doesn't seem Priest-y to me. For over 15 years before Painkiller came out, Judas Priest had that slight blues aesthetic, even in their proto-speed stuff, like "Freewheel Burning." When they went full-out speed metal for this album, they kinda lost it, and the whole album kinda comes off to me as "HEY, LOOK, ISN'T THIS FAST SH*T?!" Don't get me wrong, I still love the album; several tracks are among my favorite Priest songs, but sometimes, it just seems like too much.

Answer 26

I'll probably edit with more, but Darth, I can't believe you of all people forgot Pearl Jam's Ten...



and to whoever TD-ed me: Getting a thumbs down from a Pearl Jam fan is a badge of honor to me, buddy. Bring it.



...Alright, some more:



Soundgarden - Superunknown

This is one of the prime examples of a band's fanbase not looking past the hits. Anyone, ANYONE who truly loves this band should have gone one album backward and realized that Badmotorfinger is their masterpiece. Sure, whatever, Superunknown has the stuff they play on the radio and it doesn't suck. But Soundgarden had just given their greatest gift to the world on their previous album, and many of their "fans" still don't seem to be aware of that.



David Bowie - The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars (or anything of his from the 70s)

Listen to the Beatles' discography. Listen to the Velvet Underground's discography. Listen to T Rex's Electric Warrior (and The Slider, though Ziggy hit just before that, so it speaks more to Bowie's later stuff).

Now tell me David Bowie added one damn thing to any of that.

Answer 27

the velvet underground and nico the velvet underground

come on, who told nico she can sing? sure it's one line, but there is nothing more to say than that.



hotel california - the eagles

wtf was joe thinking? don henly's ego here is only matched by roger water's ego on the wall. the only reason this album was popular in the first place was because that's all the dinosaur rock stations played after it's release. besides, who really cares about the 70's california lifestyle anyway?



i totally agree with you about the wall. it's my opinion that either dark side of the moon or wish you were there is pink floyd's defining moment on vinyl.



frampton comes alive - peter frampton

this would be better if it wasn't a double album. some songs on here are as bad as some others are good, and it's proof that if you get a lot of radio play you'll sell a lot of records. it's one of those albums considered to be one every rock fan should have in their collection as proof you're a real rock fan. besides, his cover of jumping jack flash has to be the worst ever.



blues for allah - the grateful dead

i don't even own this album, i don't really need to say more than that.

Answer 28

Pet Sounds, Back in Black, Rumors, Hotel California, and anything by Led Zeppelin or Rush. And that awful Foreigner album, 4 or whatever. And Lateralus by Tool.

Answer 29

Every Album Oasis ever made.

Answer 30

ALL the bands that were one album with three hits, that now have a greatest hits collection album.

Answer 31

Nirvana - Nevermind



Metallica - Master Of Puppets



Megadeth - Peace Sells



Slayer - Reign In Blood



I pretty much agree with what you and everyone else above me said.

Answer 32

The Black Parade- My Chemical Romace

Answer 33

London Calling

Sgt Pepper, White Album, Abbey Road ~ bleah

Dark Side Of The Moon

Ziggy Stardust

Who's Next

Every Queen album

Answer 34

Definitely Never mind the Bullocks. Of the punk era, The Sex Pistols where very watered down. None of them can play and the lyrics are generic. I can't stand it when people say they invented punk.

Answer 35

Gaga.

Answer 36

Anything by Oaisis (sorry people!!)

Answer 37

Friday - Rebecca Black

Answer 38

http://www.fearandloafing.com/features/overrated.html

Answer 39

Back in black.

Answer 40

Well, being late to the party takes away a ton of stuff. And, just cuz you prefer Superunkown doesn't mean it cant be overrated. Still, Metal is where I spend most of my time, so it is where most of this list will stay.

That said,

IRON MAIDEN:

Killers

Piece of Mind

Number of the Beast

Fear of the Dark

all suffer from the same disease.. the one you mentioned for TNOTB. #-4 good to great tracks, and then 4 purely mediocre ones. Great albums have few to no weak tracks, even if they occasionally don't have that ICONIC track. Sure, Hallowed Be Thy Name is Maiden's best track.. and if I was just rating it, a perfect 10. Thing is, we are talking the WHOLE ALBUM, something most people these days don't seem to understand. And let's see.. an album with 8 good to great songs vs and album with 1 Iconic song, 3 good ones, and 4 bad ones... somehow the one with 4 bad tracks is a better ALBUM????? Powerslave overproduced? Uhhhhh.. try they actually got the mix right where you can hear the brilliance of Nicko's drumming for one of the few times on a pre-2000 studio album.

SLAYER

everything BEFORE South of Heaven. (the stuff after Seasons goes without saying, and only Slayer Homers really try to defend it.) Aside from Angel of Death and Raining Blood, pretty much every track sounds the same, with varying degrees of crappy production. OH IT'S sooooo bloody Brutal. Or lame and Juvenile.

MEGADETH

-Killing Is My Business and Business is Good

REALLY? Do I need to explain it? Exactly one good song, "Looking Down the Cross". The rest is puerile let's play faster than Metallica, one dimensional CRAP. Just read the lyrics to Mechanix, and that tells you all you need to know.

METALLICA

-Pains me to say this about their second best album, but RIDE THE LIGHTNING. Same problem the above mentioned Iron Maiden albums suffer from. Some of Metallica's best work.. sandwiched in with cookie cutter Thrash that some people with bad hearing want to rave about being raw and vital, like Escape and Trapped Under Ice. Even the opener is weaker than the opener on the other 3 of Metallica's legendary first 4 (Hit the Lights, Battery, Blackened). Hard to say that about the album that also spawned "For Whom the Bell Tolls, Fade to Black and Call of Ktulu, but it is what it is. Just funny how many homers want to hate on MoP instead, just because it has zero Mustiane influence. Despite the fact it had far better song writing, production and playing. But hey, the millions of Metallica fans who rank it number one are idiots while the handful that bash it are much smarter than the rest of us.

And, yes, their self-titled Black album. Sure in most Metal circles it ain't that well regarded, but the 20 plus million sold does tend to say that it is popular for someone.Not really a bad album, and it certainly accomplished it's mission by making Metal accessible to the masses, but compared to what came before it, yeah, not even in the same zip code.

JUDAS PRIEST

-yup, British Steel. And Unleashed in the East. A bald faced grab for commercial love and a live album so good that the vocals had to be recorded in studio. *Rolls Eyes* But hey it's OK for Priest and Megadeth to shamelessly sell out but OMG if Metallica goes commercial. The shameless double standard would be hilarious if the little pea brained monkeys who harp on it weren't so virulent with their blathering.

OZZY OSBOURNE

- Blizzard of Ozz and Diary of a Madman. And more specifically, Randy Rhoads. Similar to the whole Iron Maiden complaint. Some classics, and a lot of middle of the road, sappy Rock Balladry. People raving about Rhoads being the greatest ever, etc.. yet when I listen to what he put on tape, be it Quiet Riot or Ozzy, I hear a really good, but hardly godly guitarist. Yet another example of the same "ZOMG FALLEN ROCKSTAR" over exaggeration that people like Kurt Cobain and Dimebag get way overrated due to. I can only list about 50-100 guitarists in Rock and Metal better, but the people who swear by Randy will never listen to reason, no matter how much empirical evidence provided. Sorry folks you can be a really good guitarist without qualifying as GOAT.

And speaking of DIME.....

how about ALL OF PANTERA's discography?

Watered down commercially accessible poor man's Thrash, or for those who have to have a unique label for everything, "Groove" Metal. Mind you Dime had the chops, as their old Glam stuff showcased, but the stuff form Cowboys on hardly used any of it. I do love Cemetery Gates as a track, but the biggest thing Pantera accomplished was to continue the commercialization of Metal started with Metallica's Black album, and pave the way for us to get Nu-Metal and Metalcore, and all the other Mall Metal mediocrity plaguing the genre today.